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The Around the NFL podcast. Football is back. Oh, no. He's right. From the Chris Wesling podcast studio, it's Around the NFL. Dan Hans is here, back for another week. Ahead of the draft, joined by heroes, Mark Sesler, Greg Rosenthal. I shouldn't say, Of course, because this is not typically when this person is with us. Also, there was quite a bit of concern about her whereabouts, and they were given the recent state of news around this individual, an idea that may be forcibly taken off our last broadcast. But no, she back.
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Colleen Wolf. Connie's the Queen.
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She is the Queen of NFL Media.
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I never really thought about it before, but that, That specific tune has some church hymn vibes a bit. A little bit there.
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It's like God just came in the studio. Hey.
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Well, it's the Queen. I mean, that is essentially saying every other option to be the Queen is below you, below the queen.
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I also thought about your strategy over the weekend that you effectively came on and did an excellent eight or nine minutes of podcasting, left a message on your phone to tag at the end, and it was like, she's still part of the cast.
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Don't get any ideas, Mark. She's still part of the cast.
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I see where you're going with it. Just as valuable as anyone else. I think it was just an incredible strategy from multiple angles.
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For Coleen, in that particular situation, it worked for the show.
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Yeah. We made it work.
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I know you got some ideas.
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I was just ruminating on the fact that it was effective. Thank you.
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Thank you so much.
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We made it work. But not a permanent solution for Coleen or anyone else.
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Just thought about it from multiple angles. No action steps. Yeah.
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But you know.
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Thank you, Jason Zemmall, by the way, reminding us football is back this week. 25 teams kicking off voluntary offseason workout. I think it's basically having the Jets put out a nice image, slow motion of Aaron Rodgers walking into the building. I think that just shows us football is back.
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Save for the 25% of players that are not showing up because of money issues and various grumblings.
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It's just like, we're back here. We've got slow motion One Glass, Eric Rodgers.I.
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Like his hoodie, though. Nice camo vibe.
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I feel like he just went through it all with the Jets a year ago. Back in the same place and nothing happened during the real football season.
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Just the way it goes.
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It is a bit of a cycle. The entire job, in a way, is a cycle. It all begins anew. But football is not back. We already discussed that football is not back until after Thanksgiving. But if you really want to be serious about it, next January, I would say. We heard. We heard. Coming up on today's show. The draft is, let's see, the draft is a week from Thursday. We have hit it from multiple angles. Over the past couple of weeks, we're going to continue to do it this week. We're going to have some guests involved. This show, though. We're going to keep it in-house. We're going to talk about the players that fascinate him. In fact, this segment is called...
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I Love 'Em.difficult.
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Fascinating players of the 2024 NFL Draft. Let's make that the episode title as well. That's a good one, I think. Yeah. Put it in quotes. Can I hear that again?
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I love him.
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I think it's genuine.
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It is. No, it felt authentic.
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That's from our Friday show, and you were talking, of course, of Lad McConkey. I don't know if he's coming up today, but we already know that.
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I love him. I will say one thing that I have personally tried to put in more draft work than in some prior years.Yeah.Notice that. We already talked Lad McConkey. We already gave him that. You move on. There's a lot of other players to look at, and that's what we're going to do.
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More fish in the sea to hit. We got to spread the love around.
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Yeah, Nestler's got his- Big ocean of prospects out there for the Cessnaug.
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The entire city.
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But before we do that, let's hit the news.
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Let's say one day there's a situation, right? Maybe it's the 49ers, maybe heading to the play Offense is great.
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Patriots could be. Riders could be.
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You never know.
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God forbid, somebody goes down, would you pick up that phone?
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I'm not opposed to it. I don't know if they're going to let me if I become an owner in the NFL team, but I don't know if I don't know. I'm always going to be in good shape. Always be able to throw the ball.
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So to come in for a little bit like MJ coming back.
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I don't know if they'd let me, but I wouldn't be opposed to it. I'm unfamiliar with the show, but the Deep Cut podcast with Vic Blends, Tom braided in a barber chair with the whole the cloak on him and everything. I'd like to get a good look at Tom Brady's hair, by the way, and how that's looking.
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Well, that was mid-cut. It was definitely mid-cut right there, though. Yeah.
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But as Mark and I have long held the theory that he had radical work done from the neck up. If you look at him on the T-cups at Disneyland in '02, and take a look at him in the later years.
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Well, it's It's a theory, but-That's the theory. One of our many cases where we've compiled evidence and facts and sourced various conversations over a decade plus, and there's some trenchant eyewitness concepts about what might be happening.
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But the hair situation, I feel like, is fine now. It is more accepted widely, I think, among people.
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About going down certain roads?
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If you're going to get plugs, it's like, I respect the guys that go completely bald, and then they're like, No, you know what? I'm going back. And public figures that do it.
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You brought it up, so I'm going to... I love Tom braided.
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I don't know if braided did that. I'm just saying.
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We don't know. I know people, someone directly in the show business, and he's everybody. Everybody does it. All the guys just went out. Anyway, that's not the point. Why not? A couple of things. First of all, I don't know, there's a new bit of a... Greg, you know Tom Brady's voice as well as anyone. A new cadence, a little white boy flow there from braided, the Travis-Kelsey flow to the Off the tongue felt maybe because he was in the barbershop or something.
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I think that was maybe more just he's with a younger man who's looking hit.
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You're picking up on that, too. There's a little bit of different cadence. I missed it.
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I would like to hear it again, but I am curious about the consultants that are telling Tom braided to go on this podcast. How do the quarterbacks shoot? There's no way he knows this podcast on his own.
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It's like a young-Not a Vic Blenz guy, necessarily. No.
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Someone is saying, We want to be hitting the younger demo. Vic Blenz would be great. Yes. So someone is getting paid to just tell him that information. That's a good job.
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Good job by Vic Blends.
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The person who's telling Aaron Rodgers, he might be doing it on his own. I feel like doing less of a good job. The podcast he chooses to pop up on our I continue to be awestruck by Tom Brady's intense desire to announce football games for Fox.
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And by the way, that was the first time I heard that. I didn't take that seriously at all. I think that was a guy having fun. That was a little bit of us sipping tea in the barbershop, joking around. I didn't take that to me, and he was serious about it at all.
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I agree, and yet if someone had called him last year, I bet he would have done it. I just don't think anyone called him.
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Wait a second. He was preparing for the broadcasting job last year. He was in the bunker. Which I believe.
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The fact that he brought up MJ immediately. That he's like, Hey, maybe MJ on the Wizards, essentially, as he's talking about. It's like, all right.
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But he'll always be in good shape.
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The ball is completely different than basketball.
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True. Let's get into other news. Maybe Tom braided comes back end of next year. Stranger Things Have Happened. All right, let's move into other news, starting with Rashe Rice, who four days ago, surrendered to police on an assault charge after a high-speed crash that went down on a Dallas highway last month that involved a half dozen vehicles, and Rice, 23 years old, and coming off a very He's a promising rookie year with the Chiefs involved with the incident and now involved in a legal situation that could have ramifications, obviously for him personally, also the Kansas City Chiefs. In the realm of the Chiefs, King Kingdom connected to this. The chief to expect, this was a report earlier today, expect wide receiver Rashi Rice to participate as they began their offseason program Monday with virtual meetings. Andy Reid said Reid didn't get into specifics on Rice's situation. He said, We'll just see where everything goes from there, referring to the law enforcement investigation. Let the process take place. Greg, this sets up, obviously, terrible situation. We remembered the terrible car accident Henry Rugs was involved in in Vegas, so this brings back memories of that and Rice very nearly being involved, allegedly, with something I could have had similarly Very similarly terrible outcome.
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So we'll see what happens with the chiefs here who already needed help at Playmaker with a draft a week away. And now you have this Rice situation hanging over everything.
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Yeah, he didn't want... Andy Reid said he's talked to Rice. He wouldn't take questions on them in that you wanted the law enforcement part to take place, and then they'll go from there when it comes to Rishee Rice. I don't know what go from there means, but I think it's safe to say the chiefs have to operate that they don't know what Rice is status is as a member of the team or at the beginning of the season, and that we, from the outside, also don't know what Ruchy Rice's status is with the chiefs. They could decide to do anything.
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It puts them back where they were before signing Mark East Brown, and where they were after signing Mark East Brown. It's like they need a consistent number one wide receiver play from someone. Rice was shaping up to be that guy in theory. A suspension can whack you for the first month of a season plus, and Those games matter a ton for Kansas City.
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I mean, thank God that this did not involve any fatalities because we would be talking about this in such a different tone. But his offseason in general went from so light-hearted working out with Patrick Mahomes He was wearing a Patrick Mahomes dad bod shirt. Everyone was laughing about it. It was fun. It was light, whatever. And then now he's facing eight felony charges, six of collision involving bodily injury, one of collision involving serious bodily injury, and one of aggravated assault It doesn't even include charges for leaving the scene. It'll be interesting to see how the league approaches this, because obviously, in any criminal case, the league likes to wait for everything to play out before they hand down any type of suspensions, or maybe he goes on leave. But it was just, what decision was he making to leave? I mean, his cars were involved in it. He had to have known that eventually, you can't run from that. But it sucks for him. It sucks for everyone involved. And then also for the chiefs now in this situation where they don't know, they're in a little bit of a limbo with their wide receiver position.
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I always think these suspensions, too, take on a bit of a different tone when there's a video versus not. There isn't a ton of precedent for an accident like this involving so many people. It's like, I don't know. We'll see what the league does.
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Let's talk other wide receivers in a more on the field tone. Let's start with Brandon Ayuk, who, Trope alert, removed the San Francisco 49 from all social media.
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Oh, boy.
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Yeah. Now everybody talks about that as a trope alert, but I feel like our podcast is a little ahead of the curve on that as a tried and true move for a player to start the process of being annoyed with this team in a public manner. That leads to reporting, an aggregated reporting. Then Aayuk's agent on Monday denied on social media or report that the star receiver requested a trade. Ayuk is under contract. He's entering the fifth year of his rookie deal. He's set to make 14 million. Connie This is a very talented wide receiver. Based on who you speak with, maybe a superstar wide receiver. But he's also on a team that has some high paid players, including someone at his own position in Debo Samuel. The idea of a trade It does not seem out of the realm of possibility.
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No, and I'm sure he wants to be paid like Debo. Even if he hasn't asked for a trade, there's still some type of smoke there. It's a passive aggressive move to unfollow the Niners on all of your social media channels, knowing that everyone's going to pick up on that. But for the Niners, time is everything right now. Pay him or trade him to get some type of draft compensation because his price tag is only going to go up with every single deal that's made. We'll talk about Devante Smith coming up, but all of those extensions, I mean, CeeD Lamb, Justin Jefferson, there's a lot of receivers that are trying to get paid right now, and he deserves to get paid.
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His agent came on Twitter and said, You need better sources to a The Report, and this is why it's tricky. You got to become better if you're in this industry. Oh, Greggy. All right. No, I just have read. Is this a medium minute? No, I'm just reading Twitter. The report came from NFL Insider, John Fursella.
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He could be a young star on the rise. You don't know.
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But isn't working for anything. I'm not really sure. Just as a guy has a checkmark, and he put this report out, and he said it's official, that it officially-Are you fake newsing this guy?
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This sounds too much like a media minute, so let's do it. This is Greg sitting in on the Dan has his Media Minute. Hit it, Eric.
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It's time for the latest edition of the Media Minute with Greg. Very nice. I think if you're on Twitter and you're noticing these things, look for where's the employer? If you can't find one, red flag. If there's a situation where 15,000 followers, okay, that actually sounds good.It's.
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A checklist.
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But then 10,000 following, that's a red flag. That's a one for one. If the link to the latest work is a blog spot that hasn't been updated in almost two years.
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Blog spot bad.
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It's on you if you pass that along as info.Now, who knows?As an aggregator. Maybe his agent, though, is just on Twitter and saw this, and he responds, and I'm glad. There's a little more news on social. It appeared, and you can't really tell, on his Instagram today, Brandon Ayuk was at day one of offseason program because he was like, I'm a day one type of guy. And put that up on Instagram stories and appeared. He was at the facility.
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That was illuminating.
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I think everything checked out.
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That was the media minute?
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I think it was.
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That was the Media Minute with Greg.
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I think in Twitter parlance, be better.
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I also think Brandon Ayuk is very likely to get a contract from the 49ers, and this is one that doesn't have a lot of juice to it.
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I think if Brandon Ayuk got traded, everyone's going to go, Oh, first round pick. But remember, trade tax that we instituted. I think you were in Hawaii when we finally put our foot down on this, and we're going to stop being wrong about trades.
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The fail was lifted off our eyes. Right. Yeah.
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So whatever you think Brandon Ayuk deserves, knock it down around. So go get Brandon Ayuk for a second this year and a fourth next year, and I would do that in a second.
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No.
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I feel like that he's got to be worth a first rounder.
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Lift the veil, Connie.
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I think he's getting paid by his current team. The Debo thing went on forever, and so I'll just-I think Debo Samuel is more likely to get traded than Ayuk, but I think it would be in 2025 when Purdy gets that. Debo is a $24 million cap hit. Next year, it's a $28 million cap hit this year. In other wide receiver news, Tee Higgins said, I, quote, Do anticipate playing for the bangles in 2024.
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Higgins is another one that he's on the franchise tag, and there was talk about that maybe he's going to be moved, but he looks forward to the season with the bangles. And speaking of players that have been connected a lot to trade whispers, but nothing tangible, Devante Adams of the Raiders. And he spoke with The Athletic in an interview and said, If I wanted to be gone, I'd be gone, which is pretty For whatever reason, that checks out to me because he has not been on the record about wanting to be part of this rebuild under pierce, and now he is. He wants to be. He wants to be part of it. He's excited like everybody else is around the Raiders and trying to surprise some people.
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Oh, yeah. Now his offensive coordinator from Green Bay, Luke Getzey, is in Vegas, so they have a little history there. I feel like a lot of his frustration stemmed from the dislike and whatever was going on between him and Josh McDaniels. The whole team felt that way, it seems. Now, Devante Adams came out and was stumping for Antonio pierce. Now he's there. It feels like everything is a little bit easier and a little bit better now.
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Vibes are good. See how he's feeling when Garner Minchou is throwing passes. Throwing those hospital balls.
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Exactly. I think McDaniel is supposed to be an absolute poison in that. I feel like someone must have told him, at least to quell him for now, We're going hard for a quarterback. It's not going to be Aiden O'Kunal or Garner Minchou week one if we can do anything.
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No, he just moved his family there. I think he said that he loves living there. That's an important-So they're moving up. That's an important part of things. I tend to believe everyone hoping for these wide receiver trades. I am, too, because it makes draft week and more exciting. I have never thought that Tee Higgins was going to get traded. I think the Bengals are a unique organization that the way they like to do things is like, Well, we'll just have one more year. We're not going to pay them the long term. We'll just let them leave a year from now, but it's worth them to keep it for this year. If you're Tee Higgins, you could really make us think about it, or you could realize I'm coming off a bad year. I'm with Joe Burrow. I've made, I would have to go check, but I'm sure much less. I got you, buddy. Much less than $10 million in his career, maybe five or six, and he's about to make 21 in one year. If you're about to make If you make about a 400% increase off of what you made in four years combined, you're not going to be like...
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You're probably not going to go too crazy in terms of not being happy, and you're going to show up and make it happen.
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His career earnings to this point, Greggy.
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$4 million or something?
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Let's see. Total cash in four seasons with the bangles? $10 million.
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Okay.
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Greg's made more than that.
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I wish. All right. In other news, the NFL... Excuse me, extensions. The Eagles. Hey, here's your guy. The Slim reaper. Devante Smith signs a three-year extension worth 75 million. The cults also get a deal done with DeForece Buckner, who, according to cults' officials, epitomizes everything that a cult should be. All right, I guess they're happy with that trade they did with the Niners a couple of years ago. But Devante Smith, you like him, don't you?
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I do. As soon as I walked into my family's for Easter dinner, it was the first question on everyone's mind. What's going on with Devante Smith? When is this deal getting done? Really?
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What a slice of Philly life.
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It's so great to see you. Happy Easter. Oh, my God. It's been like years at this point that I've seen my extended family Okay. But, yeah, it's a big deal. Everyone wants to know. Everyone wanted to know. Finally, they lock them in through 2028. So they picked up his fifth year option, and then the extension is for the three years that then follow. So if you're looking at the money that he's making on on an average per-year basis, the Eagles now have two of the top-highest paid receiver's, top highest paid receiver's top five highest paid receiver's in the entire league with himself and A. J. Brown. But this was really smart of Howie to get this deal done before Justin Jefferson and CeeDee Lamb and Jamar. Howie, motherf*cker. Exactly. But this is what Philly does. They take care of their own. They don't wait until the last minute. Greg, you're talking about Tee Higgins and how the bangles operate. The eagles are the exact opposite. They make it a priority to get these deals done early, so there's no discontent that grows. I think that it'll be interesting to watch Kelen Moore, their new offensive coordinator, what he does, if he does anything different with Devante Smith now coming up this season.
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The only thing there that is just coming from last year's eagles, like fall off a cliff. That was last year, Mark. I know. I'm just saying because one of the-Do not talk about last year.Not allowed.
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It is not a memory.
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Who seemed more annoyed though. Aj Brown, it seemed like, was so annoyed, like game after game. It's like, he has no guaranteed money after this season. You got these dueling banjos at Wideout. We'll see why. The one thing about DeForece Buckner, the cults are interesting, and it's not shocking under Chris Valver. They've signed now 10 of their own players to new deals. But I think Buckner is worth it. He can drive around in a cream-colored Porsche for the rest of his cult's journey now with the money he's just made. But they just want to stick with their own dudes.
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Older player. The I also locked in Grover-Stewart on that line, so they've been good for a while together. Cream-colored. And they're staying the same. No, you're right.
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It's a good choice in color.
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It's a continuation of a cult's trend. They have resigned their guys more than any team in the league. But the Eagles, they do... I know you're sick of hearing how that-No, I have I have nothing to say on this.
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I will offer nothing. My stance has been made clear.
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Because he technically had two years left on his contract, so they got way ahead of it. He wants to make more money now because he was in the fourth year of his Ricky deal, but then they would add the fifth year option. And so they tack three years off of that, and he gets way more in the short term. But that contract goes through 2028. That's going to look like an incredible value. He's probably not going to be very happy with that contract in three years, and they'll have to revisit that. It's just good business, and it's how you avoid getting into the situation that the Cowboys are in, or that the Jaguars were in this offseason with Josh Allen, and that's why they couldn't keep Calvin, really. Except in this case, the players are much better. I was thinking, okay, it might be time to say goodbye to A. J. Brown at some point, too. It's like, A. J. Brown is 26 years old. How is A. J. Brown only 26 years old right now? That's That's true. You do want to keep him for as long as possible, too.
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For starters, he was born 26 years ago.
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I love that for the egos.
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But, Greg, they have five players under contract through 2028, including Jalen Hertz, and then the other four guys that they already signed this offseason with Landon Dickerson, Jake Elliott, Jordan Milata, and now Devante Smith.
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I'm currently reading and enjoying it quite a bit, The Jordan Rules, by Sam Smith, documenting the Chicago Bulls.
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Aren't you also rewatching the Jordan documentary? Wormhole. Okay.
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Wormhole. In fact, the paperback that I got has a new forward by Sam Smith, where he reflects on the documentary and how he was connected to it in the Bull's dynasty.
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Look at you.
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I found a Michael Jordan. I went and showed... Walker wanted to see my... I had some cards, some old cards that were my better football, basketball, baseball cards yesterday. We went through them because it was raining in LA as always. That's all that happens in LA now. We went through it, looked through I have some old ones to see if I have any bangers in there. A lot of money I wasted buying cards back.A lot of D-Browns.I had two good cards in the entire thing. One of them was a solid Jordan card that is valued around $500 or so.Is.
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It in mint condition?It's.
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Probably not. It's in one of those things. It looks good.
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Well, that's a terrible job by the youth version of you because even back then, you knew you had to put it in.
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No, it looks good. It's been in one of those things the whole time.
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You think it looks good, but if you take it to one of these nerdy card stores, like mint condition. You need help.
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Just saying that was exciting to me to find this Fleer. Was it Fleer? I don't remember.
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What's your guy do?
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My guy's a guy. He's a guy that's connected at the highest levels to the industry of what condition is this in, how much is it worth?
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I hope it's not... There's a guy out there on YouTube that opens up packs of cards from 1991. The Praiser, yeah. But Eats the gum, too.
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No, I introduced you to that guy. Oh, well, okay. Junk Wax Sal.
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All in a haze. But that was fantastic.
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I saw a Reggie White card, which was not worth anything. But you could see the gum staying on the card. The gum was...
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It's called gum sweat.
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The dust, the gum sweat. It already wasn't worth anything.
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Anyway, Jordan rules. I bring this up. He happened to be there, Sam Smith. He was a Beat reporter for the Chicago Tribune, who happened to pick the perfect year to do, Oh, I'm following this team and covering this player. He picked Michael Jordan and the 1991 Chicago Bulls that won the first of six titles. Even though this came out 30-some-od years ago at this point, it's still the same, which is it's so It's hard to manage rosters and manage egos, and everyone's paying very close attention to not only how much they're making in their contract situation, but their teammates. Who got what? He got this, but I didn't get that. Scottie Pippen dealt I love this a lot because Jerry Kraus locked him into a bad contract, the GM of the team. Anyway, I bring this up becauseIt's not the only bad contract he locked into.
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Little tabloids take there by Mark. Is that a tab take?
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Yeah, just go. If you're listening and you care, go research it on their own. We don't need to dive into it. I don't want to interrupt you. Love that.
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Aj Brown, who he's a guy that hasn't always been happy on that team. Now, Slim Reaper got the bag. That could be an issue.
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I don't know. That could be a flash point focus.I am with you.type issue.
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But also with AJ Brown, I feel like he gets this rap for not being happy. I think that he just expresses it outwardly more than other people will.
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Is it a rap or is there some evidence that he's been unhappy in multiple ways?
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There's plenty of evidence, but I think that he just...
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I didn't bag him.
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He likes to voice his opinion.
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What you're saying is there's a lot of this, and maybe there's a lot more passive-aggressive people in the building or something that are more annoying, and you'd actually rather the AJ guy, you know where you stand.
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Exactly. Process these feelings. Let's not repress.
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You're more optimistic than normal about the Eagles. Typically, there's some doom and gloom or what's next around the corner. I tend to think something's around the corner.Right..
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I'm just throwing it out there.Yeah. Times change, sports change. The guys are always watching the other guys, especially in their position group. All right. Connie, you are going to Detroit for the draft? I am. What is your role within the company's structure?
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A few different things. I will be hosting DJ's mock draft the night before night one, and then I'll be on site on the desk doing some things night one and night two for the network, and then I'll be on the stage night one and night three. I've never done day three before, and it looks like-Things get weird. It looks like so much fun, and there's going to be puppies. You're going to get the puppies. I was like, I would like to do day three.
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Thirteen prospects will be in attendance in Detroit for the draft, which begins Thursday, April 25th. That seems like it's a dwindling number that are accepting these invites.
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It's the lowest in years since the There's Corona.
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The NFL is inviting fewer, they've said, because they're really trying to avoid. It's another way to spin it.That's.
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What they say.That's what they say. But what about all the fashion business before and then rolling in their shoes and their pants?
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Here's what you need to know. The red carpet. You want the big name. So number one pick, Caleb Williams, he'll be there. Jaden Daniels, the QB from LSU, he'll be there. Drake May, QB from UNC, he'll be there. Marvin Harrison Jr, he'll be there.
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He didn't do anything either. I love that he's going. He didn't test or do anything at the combine. I like that he's going to the draft. Well, just wait at the finish line.
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Absolutely. But if you're him.
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You seem angry about it.
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No, I think he didn't need to prove much. We know he's good.
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Finally in the news, anything to add about that? Draft next week.
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That's a plug. Jj McCarthy reportedly just didn't respond at all, so eventually they had to take it back.
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As a potential future of the Patriots, is that a red flag for you? Is that a La Réville Magnifico, perhaps?
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No, that is not. He ghosted that? I'm a little under-concerned.
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He left him on red.
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That was on the Pro Football Talk, I wrote that. The only notable player here was Darius Robinson of Missouri. It shows you what the NFL thinks in terms of... That was a player that a lot of people did not think was going in the first round, and he's one of the 13.
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But are they reaching out to people? You don't want them sitting there as the one guy out of 13 that's not...
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Well, they might have a higher opinion of where he... Whoever they is might have a higher opinion of where he's going than the consensus NFL draft board. So that name stuck out to me as like, wow, he's going to be there because the rest you expect to be top 15 to 20 of the picks.
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Finally, in the news, O. J. Simpson is dead. The former running back, legendary Bill's running back, who later became a figure that went well beyond football, died at 76 years old after a bout with cancer. I think it's worthy that even though this happened a few days ago, it didn't line up with our show release. I think it's worthy to talk about for a couple of reasons. First of all, this is around the NFL, and O. J. Simpson, as a football player, was one of the most popular and beloved players in the history of the league. He ran for 2,000 yards, the first guy to ever do that in a 14-game season. We have a lot of listeners that are either, A, too young to know what went down in the mid '90s around O. J. Simpson, or are not from this country and don't understand what O. J. Simpson and the murder case and the subsequent trial, what that was about in this country. That became the biggest story, really, of the 1990s. When they talk about trial of the century, you hear that thrown around a lot, but that really was the trial of the century and everything around it.
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The idea, Mark, that OJ now is gone 30 years after he was acquitted of that double murder is certainly noteworthy and was a major figure. Where we are at our ages, we have a totally different outlook and viewpoint on everything. Now that he's gone 30 years later, it's pretty wild.
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I'll just hit a couple. This was one of the personal news stories because it was as cable television was becoming the thing. I'll never forget, I really wanted to be a journalist back then and be in sports. It's forgotten that when it happened during the Nicks Rockets. The car chase. Right. The car chase is unfolding. In LA, there were people, once it got going, lined up on the streets with poster board signage, I'm supporting. Everyone just thought that OJ was under duress and probably It was fine.
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The juice is loose and things like that.
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Yeah, and this was a 24-hour-a-day news story, which was interrupted for nothing. They had to throw it at one point from a sports angle to Bob Kostas, who was covering the NBA coverage. I had hours and hours and hours of tape of OJ in fun OJ mode back when he hosted NFL Live with Bob Kostas. They became very good friends. This is weird, but I was actually working at that summer camp during all this, and I was home when all the chase happened.Camp.
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Happiness.camp happiness. You went back to work.
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I went back to work, but I had... I have two little more things. But I had this phone card because back then, you just had a payphone there. My friend Peter Acton, back watching the news, I would call him for an hour a day to get updates on what was happening with the trial through the rest of the summer. I never got charged on this card. I called the magic card. Then I was going to American University the following semester. I made hundreds of hours of calls. I went to American University. Fast forward one year, on October third, 1995, when the verdict came down, and there were people... We think we know what's going to happen, but we don't. I was in this gigantic student center, and the verdict came down, and it was a shocking verdict. Then the lights went out in the student center, and it was a windowless, gigantic conference type room. The lights went down with hundreds of people in there screaming, shouting, and it was a totally pitch dark room. It's like the end of the world. It was the raptor. That's what I remember. Then a week later, I got a bill that channeled from AT&T back to my parents' house, and they sent it to me, and it was for about $1,400 in phone charges that I was being charged for two years later.
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No. I digress, but there was a lot of weird moments back then because people track this story like no other story in the world.
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The bill always comes due.
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It comes due, and it came due, not really for him.
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That documentary, the Five-Parter.
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O. J. Made in America.
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Oh, my God.
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Got to check it out if you're curious about this.It was so good.It.
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Was so good. It was great perspective for us or for me about everything before that. Yes. About who he was and what he... I knew him more as the guy from the Naked Gun more than anything. I knew he was an NFL Great. But that puts it all in perspective and the perspective of the country. It's one of the best documentaries I've ever seen.
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That's how I look back at it now as an older person. As a 14, 15-year-old, when it happened, 3,000 miles away in the suburbs of New York. It looked like it couldn't have been a more open and shut case. This was a man that was a horrific abuser of his wife, and there was a mountain of evidence. It was like, Obviously, he's guilty. But it turned out how the long shadow of Rodney King in this city and how that came to directly connect to this case and the lack of justice for Rodney King and how that impacted the Black community King and his family, how that then led to, in the opinion of many, Nicole Brown and Ronald Golden not getting justice because of the way the anger that still in the lack of trust around the LAPD. You learn so much about the country and the issues that are part of this country since we started, how it went on. For our generation, Rodney King and OJ, or for a younger generation, with George Floyd was about, where it's like, wow, this continues to be a big part of what our country is about, and it's underneath everything.
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It was as big as it gets. It's the biggest story of our lifetime, really. I mean, outside of maybe 9/11, obviously.
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Yeah, I was nine when all of that was happening. First of all, I didn't have a great frame of reference as far as OJ as the player. Like Greg mentioned. I knew that he was a legendary I had watched him in commercials and movies and stuff like that. But for me, just looking back on everything, it just feels so gross how a double murder became pop culture for so many people, and it just had a life of its own.
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I also was taken just that he was this figure that was because of what he did in the trial was a larger than life in a way that's hard to describe. And yet here he is when he dies. It's just really interesting to hear the different reactions. The Pro Football Hall of Fame, you can still go and you can look at O. J. Simpson's bus. It's up there. They flew their flag at half mast for O. J. Simpson. They released a statement just about his life, didn't mention the trials in the statement. The Buffalo Bills, who he's really associated with, didn't say anything. They didn't release a statement. They didn't do anything. His name is still up there, though. You go to the stadium, it's up there in the Wall of Fame. I don't even have a judgment or a hot take on that. It's just crazy to think that all these years later, and then a lot of the reaction, I feel like, to him Dine was like to him, Dine, was silence, at least from the people, from organizations and stuff. I don't think there is a right answer, but it was interesting to see how different places approach this.
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Yeah, and the 30 years, just to underline it, 30 years after. The frustration for many people I was like, he got away with it. But also to know a little more who OJ was. He was such a gregarious, outgoing personality that everyone loved. He was maybe the first Black athlete in this country who was accepted in corporate America, Madison Avenue. For He had to live in this purgatory for the last 30 years and be seen by many as a villain and a gou, he ran away from the civil judgment, ended up going to Vegas to escape that in Florida, having to pay the Goldman and Brown families. But he That led the rest of his life as a grotesque curiosity to people. While I don't think that's true justice, I think that for him, that probably was a pretty terrible way to end the rest of his days. O. J. Simpson, 76 years old, Let's take a break. All right. Welcome back. So yes, the draft is coming up in a week and a half, and we're trying to give you every angle on this thing. We're going to have more experts in the field a little later in the week.
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But from our vantage point, let's talk about some guys as we're doing the research that we're fascinated by. I think that's a powerful word. In fact, this segment is called...
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I love them.Fascinating.
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Players of the 2024 NFL Draft. That is the voice of Mark Sesler. He was referring to wide receiver Lad McHunky, but that's not where Mark is going here. Let's start it out with the Ses dog. Who's got you?
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Fascinated. I wanted to go defense because we focused on a lot of QBs in the top 10 picks here, and there's probably only one defensive guy in there and a bunch of wide receivers. I started to look at edge rushers, and Florida State's Jared Verce, 6'4, 254 pounds. He just looks like an old-school football player. Say that again.
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I'm writing this down.
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6'4?
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No, no. His name.
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Jared Verse. Jared Verse. B-e-r-s-e. I love him. Senior. This guy, there's one clip that I will send out at some point where he bull rushes a 320 pound left tackle when they were playing Louisville, and basically takes this guy and throws him like a child back and back on his feet and finds a way to shove the 320 pound left tackle into the quarterback, grabs both of them, throws him to the and he's doing this all the time. I know that he's not looked at the number one as the number one edge guy right now, but I think he's a total punisher. He is just intensity. He's got speed. He gets around tackles with these traits. There's moments when he's sacking a quarterback. Sometimes you see guys that need to use... If they're smaller, they're a cornerback, they need to use their body at full force. He's able to use his hands just to drag guys to the ground. I think that you look at quarterbacks over and over on some of these clips. He's coming on the blind side, and he destroys them, and the ball is separated from them. They're thrown to Earth, and I think it changes the game.
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I think that he could go right away, become one of the more terrifying guys at the position if he can stay healthy and pick up from here.
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He is ranked 14th in the Daniel Jeremiah most recent NFL draft prospect.
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The second best edge rusher right behind Dallas Turner. A lot of people have them one and two.
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I think that depends what teams, how they would want to use them, because I watched a little Turner, Jared Verste is just more of my type of player.
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I think that it's going to be very interesting how this first round plays out because all of the top 10 really is going to be dominated by offensive players. When does that defensive run start? Who's the first team to take offensive player? We will see a verse. Now, the Falcons, as an example, they have not had a premium edge rusher of notes since Greg, Johnny.
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Johnny Abraham.
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Maybe he fits that mold. But there are many teams. In fact, most teams looking for a big-time edge rusher inverse might fit the boat.
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Yeah. He seems like a complicated one because he wins by his strength, and mine's connected, so I'm going to just transition to it. I love Liatu Latu. Damn That was my guy. Probably like… Sorry. Consent. Consent. Consensus boards might be the third defensive end or third edge guy, which seems a little shocking to me. Verse, he's exciting. He's actually the type of guy I usually like, which it's all about strength. But it's a little worrisome when you're 250 pounds and you're all about strength. Is that going to work? Maybe not as refined. He's also 23 years old. So is Latu. But Latu's story is just so crazy that he literally could have played in the premiership for professional rugby, thought about it, that he was that good, decided not to do it, probably is getting taken so late because he had to medically retire for a year because of a neck injury that knocked him out. So he was out of football for two entire years. And I get it that maybe you're not going to go in the top 5 or the top 10 because of the medical issues. But when you just watch him, he just seems like he's the best defensive player in the draft.
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It seems insane to me, the types of moves that he has is like, and he's 23 years old, so it's first. They're both a little older in terms of prospects. So you want him to be a little more refined or whatever. But it's just like a walking pass rush. Like led the college football in pass rush win rate. Like, does Everything. He just looks to me like a T. J. Watt, maybe not as explosive, but just like that he would step in there, and I'm almost surprised. But who am I? You're Greg Rosenthal, damn it. I get it, but I look at the beast. Dane Brogler is great on the athletic, and he has him third, and he has him as a below verse as a late first or to a second type pick. So maybe I'm totally off base, but I look at him, it's like, That's the guy I freaking want. He looks incredible to me, and it's just the injury thing, which you're going to be worried about. But he was on recruiting staff in Washington where it was him, the top three recruits was Puukunakuwa, Trent McDuffy, and him. It's like, Okay, they went two for two.
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I feel like it's going to be three for three, but he might end up being the third guy and taken after.
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The way that he pass rushes, it's not just speed. It's so much skill that he has. At his size, what he's 6'5, 265, he moves like such a smaller player, almost like a wide receiver does. Yeah, he won two rugby national championships. I actually talked to him when he was on Good Morning Football. That's right.
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You mentioned him on this show, I think, once.
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Yeah. Now, do you feel bad that he took him for her?
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No, listen, we're sharing. I would not have gotten first either. It would have been cool if you led with it.
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It would have been nice to have a video.
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She's adding individual nuggets here.
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I watch every Colleen episode, so I knew.
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Obviously. Oh, yeah?
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Yeah.
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Ask me anything. What else happened on that episode?
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Laps were had, and analysis was a plenty.
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That's a great descriptor right there.
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That's not really. That's good.
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But yeah, the fact that he was told he would never play football again after suffering that neck injury at Washington. Then he was cleared by UCLA, one Pac-12 defensive player of the year last season. He's 16th on Daniel Jeremiah's big board. He is a Bob Marley fan, so there's no character concerns there.
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Well, it might be other concerns.
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Not for me. If I'm the GM, let's go get a guy.
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There was a little sprinkling of like, Is this a little sprinkling out there? Not the how much does this guy love football? I was like, How much more do you want him to love football? He literally was told he shouldn't ever play again because of a neck injury, and he decides to pass up for rugby, too. It's like, that's the ultimate you love football.True.Don't.
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Love a neck injury.
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No, that's concerning. But he did just play two years with no injuries.
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And he's been medically cleared.
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I'll use an example. There are many examples in the past with players that come out of college with injury question marks, and it leads to them fall a little bit down the board. Then you go and you grab them, and you might end up with Rob Gronkowski in a good case, or you could end up with, I don't know, D. Milner in a bad case. It's a bit of a gamble that you take, and he would count, I would think, as a gamble there, but certainly has the skill set and the desire.
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Polynesian football player of the year.
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I like those Those guys are built tough. Polynesians.
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. It's fun to say, too.
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When men were men, whatever happened to Gary Cooper, go check out Polynesia.
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When I was in Hawaii, I happened to have stayed at a house that was less than a mile away from the Polynesian Football Hall of Fame. No way. It felt like I'm all about ball.
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You went because it's such an easy hop, skip, and a jump to go visit it.
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I did, actually, but not on purpose on some We went and there was just a variety of stores and shaved ice and some food in the same complex that it was at. But since we were there, yeah, took a spin through. The Rock. I thought I'd catch him on that one. I thought I'd catch him on that one. I thought I'd catch him on that one. You got to put in Johnson.
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You got to put in Johnson.
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You see Did he buy a Biceca Hema in there?
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Probably was. I'm sure he was.
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Got to put him in.
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Yeah.
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All right. Connie, you're up. Okay.
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Terry on Arnold.
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They put him to him? I love him. That would wait it out.
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Or maybe he was just their player of the year.
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I don't even remember. I'm just kidding Dolphins fans.
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Jesus. All right, this guy's not going in the Polynesian Hall of Fame. Terry on Arnold. Love him. Cornerback from Alabama. I love him. He's really good, really talented.
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Can I just say one second?
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God damn it, what? Not to interrupt you. It is a chore to speak on this show.
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But can I just say, Mark, one of the reasons I love you is I don't know too many people that... Can I hear that again?
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You can interrupt all you want if you're going on this road.
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Yeah, let's hear it.
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I love him.
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That That's a tone.
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I sound like a child.
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You sound like someone that's a sensitive, that's coming from a real place.
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Well, it was after a moment of trying to... Passion. You were in a playful way ribbing me because he's not He's not in each one either.
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No. Well, he got Zack Zenner, All-Star. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. We're good. We're all good now. You sure? We got it all out? Okay, good. Let me tell you about Therian Arnold. I apologize.
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I love him.
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I'm done. I'm leaving. So I would say Therian Arnold has the absolute best personality in the entire draft, and I will die on that hill. I don't even think it's close. He is a total showman, but he doesn't try. He is unintentionally so funny. And then on top of it, he has almost Deon vibes. He's really good, and he has this confidence that doesn't come off as rubbing you the wrong way. Me either. It's a very special, charismatic way he has about him. I've listened to so many interviews with him. We also had him on Good Morning Football, and I wish that we could have talked to him for all three hours because he was just such a fun hang. He was really cool. He's been rising up draft boards, and honestly, common man rankings, too. All right. Because he spent summers working with his granddad at a roofing company all over North Florida. You're talking about Florida in the summer. He said that he discipline, structure, consistency, persistence, and that he didn't want to be a roofer. He was like, I am all in on football. He is also just really easy.
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Second place in terms of workplace fatalities as a pro-a roofer. Very dangerous.
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That's extremely dangerous.
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But he survived. He survived.
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He survived.
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Or worse.
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Yeah. You know what? That just goes to show you that he's someone who will take risks, and he is responsible, and he has maybe faced some adversity and gotten through it. But he's also It's also super easy to root for. Max Preps put out this tweet that he went back to his high school to give his janitor this Christmas gift, which was his jersey, because his janitor had asked him when he was in high school to give him his jersey, and he thought that the janitor maybe forgot. So he went back and visited the school, visited his janitor, brought some gifts for him for Christmas. He seems like a really great, good, fun, genuine guy. He comes from a good big family. He taught him to never It'll never be late because if you're late, then you got your last pick in terms of the resources and dinner and seats and whatever else is going on in the house. Westling house dynamic. Exactly. I was actually thinking about West when he was talking about it.
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Although the Westling mother would just toss the steak down the stepsRight down the basem*nt.Right.
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Down the basem*nt.Yeah.Yeah. I don't think that's what happens.Tied.
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To a brick.
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Here. I'm tied to a brick.
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Well, I'm intrigued by this person. We should get them on the show.
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Terry on Arnold. You should. Oh, my gosh. You guys would love him.
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We'll either be the first or likely the second cornerback taken. Either him or Quinan Mitchell from Boleto. Ran a little bit of a slow 40, which I think had teams concerned a little bit. Those Alabama guys, though, not to paint with a bad brush, they just seem like they come out as pros.
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Well, they're like...
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They come in as pros and like...
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Yeah.
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Very reliable. I agree with that. I think also when you watch his tape, he's dealing with LSU half the time in real schools. He played top competition, and he had, what, 17 passes defense, five picks. He's a rugged dude. He doesn't miss tackles.
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Has anybody been up on a roof lately?
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But see, truck drivers, Greg, I think there's a lot of fatalities because they fall asleep. If you fall asleep on a roof, that's not the time.
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That's just inherently dangerous to be on the roll.
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Logging workers is actually even higher. Roofers, number two.
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Been up on a roof lately? No.
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Not lately, but I have. Have you?
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Oh, yeah. About once every six months or so, every year around Christmas.
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Clean out the gutters?
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What are you doing? Not a gutter's issue because we don't have a tree above the property, but I do have Christmas lights. I put up. I also had to go up there to put the... It's like a cage you put on top of the chimney. On the chimney, yeah. If you want to get an idea of how fragile your mortality is, get up on the roof and you realize immediately, I have a 20% chance to die right now. This is how it's going to happen.
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East Coast, when you'd have to go shovel snow off your roof.
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What am I doing up This is awful. Extremely dangerous. I used to. Whatever happened to Gary Coup?
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Maybe Clemson will send you a second football for this handiwork that you've successfully pulled off.
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Now it's on the radar.
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When I was in high school, the room That I had in the house that I grew up in, it was in the back of the house. It was the only one, and there was a little bit of a roof. When there was a fence off to the side, it was the escape hatch. It was also a meeting spot. It was like people would come and visit me at the window.
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Did you throw down your hair?
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I'm knocking on my window at night. Yeah.
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Is that how the boy that was holding on to your car as you drove away?
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No, that was college.
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I have one, but here, listen, you don't want to hear from me. You want to hear from someone who...
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Watch this tape.loves it.
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He lives and breathes it.
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Tape Dog.
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He's a little bit He's a wild card, but he will give you information that is sometimes just spot on. I put a call out to the west side of Cincinnati and track down Brad Spiceler, known as the Spice Rack.
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Peppermill.
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Spicer. He's not going to be happy with that.
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Is it Spiceler?
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Spicer. But you've given him a nickname, potentially.
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He gets it. Spice Rack. Let's hear from the great Brad, Spicer.
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Hey there, everybody. Dan Hansis wants me to introduce myself, as if you don't already know, son.
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It's the Spice Rack of the Meldy.
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How do you video as a choice. All right.
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Zus wants me to give you three videos, three names. But you know what? I'm coming with seven names. Deal with it. My first guy is Quinian Mitchell. Never heard of him, quite honestly, before two months ago, but he's a first-round corner, like a mid-first rounder. A corner from the Mid-American Conference. The one thing I did was I looked up to see if he's 6'4 or something, and he's a project, then it's okay. Maybe he could bust. But he's 6'0. I saw that he has long arms, but 6'19. He's not a physical specimen. This ain't Sauce Gardener. But if you're going to go mid-first as a corner from the Mid-American conference, you got my vote. I know you're going to have a serious chip on your shoulder. Once a walk on, always a walk on. Baker Mayfield walked on at Texas Tech and Oklahoma. And while not the best quarterback, certainly someone you can go to war with.
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There's seven of these?
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I don't know if this one went too long.
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Don't edit me.
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That ended strong, except for the 45-second detour to Baker, which seemed to disprove his point.
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Toledo cornerback Quinian Mitchell. I call this Spice channel, by the way. That's good. Yeah. So we just threw it to Spice channel.
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It's a ring to it.
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Which, if you know, you know. One of those things.
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I'm with spicy on the logic, though. To be that small and from Toledo, and I think he's going to be the first cornerback. I think he's likely to be. You have to be an incredible, incredible A lot of a player.
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Let's take a break, and we'll go through another round.
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Welcome back to Draft Corner. Very nice.
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Good.
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Really on the spot. You're a broadcaster.
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That's what it is. All right, let's go around the horn again. We've heard from everyone in the room. I deferred to Spice Rack. I thought it was a pretty good start.Great start.Yeah. Great start. Spice channel is up and running here on ATN. Mark, let's hear somebody else.
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Here is someone that I know someone else in the room has a fascination with, too, and Greg. Cooper Dajine, cornerback from Iowa. I love him. This dude is interesting. I'm not sure where he'll go. I'm thinking I think the cults are a good target in the mid-first round.
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Is that a little Mark Sesler mock draft tease right there? It might be. Coming up next week.
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It might be. I just think he's an incredible athlete that does all sorts of stuff. In today's NFL, he also offers incredible return skills. But I just want to read this. Nick Baumgardner from The Athletic went and did a feature on this guy, and I just want to read the opening paragraph. I'd love to hear it. This pulled me in. In Western Iowa, along State Highway 175, sits a town of about 900 people. There's a bowling alley and a drive-in restaurant. Ode Bolt, Iowa, is named after a Frenchman who lived alone more than 100 years ago along the creek that runs through the village. It once was known, but apparently no longer holds the Crown as the popcorn center of the world. It's about 70 miles away from both the Missouri River and absolutely nothing. It's also home to a unique prospect in the 2024 NFL draft, Iowa defensive back, Cooper D. Jean. If you watch this guy, I just want on my team. I know that. You know that. The Steeler is going to go get him.
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He's a lot of Glad McConkey of cornerbacks.
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But the Steeler is going to get him or the Ravens or something, but he is That was so fun to watch. I get it. Cornerbacks, they all come in different shapes and sizes, but I don't know if he's necessarily big enough, strong enough, or has the movement skills in some ways, the lateral movement to do what he needs to do. But I see evidence of a guy who can contribute in a lot of different ways.
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I think he does. I think you got to look yourself in the mirror, but I think people immediately be like, Oh, is he going to move to safety? Does he play nickel? It's like, This guy was one of the most explosive playmaking cornerbacks in college football for years. And your first instinct is, Oh, maybe move him to safety. Look in the mirror, bro. A little profile, a little profiling going on with Cooper Dajon.Oh, interesting.You know what I'm saying?
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Listen to one little thing.
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I want to say Cooper Dajon every time I see his name. I know it's Dijon.
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One little thing. This is the athlete he is. He scored over 1,800 points in basketball in high school, threw 78 touch downs as a quarterback, won a state title in track in the 100-metre dash, and in baseball was a pitcher who had a two-hitter as a junior. He literally It's not athletic enough. He never stopped playing sports.
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Reminds me a little of Kyle Hamilton. I feel like there's some guys in every draft that the NFL overthink. That everyone agrees on is great. Then for some reason goes Aaron Donald is one of those guys.
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This is crazy. Everybody knows you don't see a lot of white cornerbacks in the league. Not since Jason Seahorn, who retired in 2003, has there been a white quarterback who consistently played the position. Could he be a first rounder?
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Is he-Yes, I think they're-Seahorn was a second rounder.
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That's what I mean.
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His profile would indicate he'd be a very high pick, and I think he will. He'll be a first rounder, but he's getting up to the pulse over and over.
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Cooper Dijon, Iowa, cornerback. Greggy.
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Okay, this is a tough choice. Power seems like one of those guys everyone's over thinking to. I feel like we're going to hit Drake May so hard, and I love Drake May. In terms of just having that feeling that Mark has about-I love him. Player. That's me on Drake May.
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That's who you want the Patriots to get.
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But for this assignment, I think Michael Pennix is a better choice because he's just-I love him.fascinating prospect. A guy who was in college forever. He has six years. It's a little outrageous how long he was in college. I get that he's older than everyone, but incredibly consistent. The type of guy that I feel like if it was 2005 would maybe be the first or the second quarterback. We're just looking for different things now. Just throwing the ball, and I know he's built very different, and there's a million things that are different. It almost reminds me of Carson Palmer when he came out. People were just like, My God, look at that man throw a football. This man was born to throw a football. And that's Michael Fedex, except he's a lefty. And I was expecting because of all the knocks on him and why he's not going to necessarily go in the first round or everything, that he'd be a total stiff. But he's not. He can move. He can make throws on the run. And I do think all the negatives that he has, you saw him in the college football semifinal dispel all that.
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People could say, Well, that was one game. But it's like, if you can do that in one game and you have NFL training, you have that potential. It's the how people overthought C. J. Stroud last year, saying he doesn't do enough playmaking. You saw it in that one game. I'm not saying he's C. J. Stroud. I just think leadership, mental toughness, all the intangibles are supposedly off the charts. And he's a guy who just... I think if you asked all 32 GMs just in the pocket. Who throws the craziest ball down the field the furthest, the prettiest? It's Michael Penix. And so to me, I'm just curious what career he's going to have because he just feels like he's boom or bust. But if he ends up on a team like the Raiders, he could be playing right away, and he just seems like a fascinating guy. Maybe they're seeing things that I don't see, and I know he's a little erratic with the accuracy here and there, but for the most part, it seems like he's got what you would want.
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He fits the Raiders, and I just don't care if he's a a year older than someone else. If he's good for five years, the Raiders have been waiting for that for an eon and plus. I know that we make such a big deal out of that, but there's going to be an advantage in this class because is it the last COVID year where you got that extra year that you could just stay?
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Because he surprised people. He could have come out last year. He had already played five years, and he decided to come back.
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We talked about injuries.
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Yeah, his injuries are-He had four season-ending injuries at Indiana.
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Four before he transferred to Washington. Listen, you go up a level and the guys get bigger and faster and you get older. He's not Brandon Weed and old, but he turns 24 next month. That would spook me, honestly, more than anything else. That's a real concern of this durability at that position.
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I'm just saying in a world where Mac Jones went 15th, what? This guy isn't going to go top 15th?
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Go watch him with Roma Junze, because the two of them, we talked about this on the wide receiver episode, that it just seemed like Rome's tape. There's 440-yard catches paired with pennex. He can wing it downfield.
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He profiles a little bit as a guy that you guys will get annoyed of me overrating because he's so good at throwing the ball and that he actually settles into a mid-level starting quarterback that is up and down. But that's still good.
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He's going to be a 25-year-old rookie, so he's going to be a little bit older.
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But that also-I have 24. You have 25?
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I think his birthday. Check to see when his birthday is.
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I think he's turning 24.
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Dan, almost a gray beard. Okay, so I'm aging him a bit.
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First-ever gray beard. No, he turns 24 next week.
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Okay, so 24-year-old rookie. But I was talking to Lance Zerline about him, and he was talking about how when he watches his tape, he doesn't take sacks. He'll get rid of the ball. He's not really great moving around the pocket. Those are just some of the flags that he sees, but he's got a really strong arm, and He's tough. He's smart. Sounds fun. He's a good leader, too, apparently.
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He's got a howitzer, some people say. I haven't heard that. I assume at some point someone started that up.
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He quoted Gino Smith on the podium after winning the Pac-10 Championship, which to me, man.
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Greg, you had done it. You had convinced us with a really delightful sales job, and now you're taking it to very still places.
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Like Gino, he was widely thought to be a first-round pick. Some people believe he can go into the second round as well. He could fall. Interesting. Connie, how about another one?
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All right. Well, I wasn't initially going to go here because I feel like all we've done is talk about this guy. But legitimately, this comes from a place of total fascination. I really, really am curious how Caleb Williams is going to be in the NFL coming in with the NIL money because we haven't really seen this before. We haven't seen someone make the amount of money that he has before heading into the lead, going into a locker room of veteran players, a lot of which have not even made close to what Caleb Williams has made. I just don't know how it will work and if some of those egos will be an issue when he does play in the NFL. If they're not winning right away, I don't know how a locker room of older veterans is going to take someone like Caleb Williams. And this isn't Caleb's fault at all. It's just the way that the league has changed now with NIL money in general. And this is going to be how it is going forward in general with these draughts and with the players coming out of college. It's just a switch and a change.
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And I just wonder how that transition will be because it's going to be so, so different, and with his personality as well. He's a very gregarious, very confident type of guy. You want that in your quarterback, but I just wonder if it will rub some players the wrong way and then how that will play out.
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If he can ball, I don't think any of it matters.
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Exactly. If he wins, no problem.
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What you're saying, it's true. It reminds me a little bit of like, they used to get these $50 million contracts as number one overall draft pick, and it was awkward. It's like Sam Bradford was making way more money than anyone else on his team.
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Well, that was ridiculous.
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It was crazy. But it took me a while to actually sit down and watch it. It's like, you get it. To me, he can make-I love him. Not just every throw, but just like, he He knows exactly what throw to make at any time. He seems like the best prospect since Andrew luck. He is so good. It's just outrageous how good he was. In a tough spot, too, last year, that if he's like that, it's like Andrew luck. I think you could have a million different leadership styles if you're that good. It doesn't matter.
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Very fascinating. Yeah, you just don't know. You don't know how these guys are going to be until they actually play. And look at how the first pick went in the draft last year. Not to write any eulogies. And then you look at the second pick and how that went.
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It feels as camp miss as possible.
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All right. It is time now. Coast is clear. Let's flip on the old spice channel.
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Spice rack here for round two. I'm going to stick with the chip on the shoulder theme and talk about Jared Verce from Florida State. Here we go. This guy is transferred in from Albany, the Florida State. And okay, that's a big enough jump, but then he dominated. I couldn't even tell you what he technically does against the Ron or anything. I don't know any of this stuff.
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Don't need it.
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He's got a big enough body to support the run. And certainly, he can get after the passer. And again, transfer from Albany. You carry that chip on your shoulder the rest of your life. It doesn't matter if you're a first-round player. It does not matter at all. And on the same team, at Florida State, Keon Coleman. Every time I check a mock draft, a wide receiver, big and athletic, all that stuff, natural breakdown scorer. Every time I focus What is happening?
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He just looked away.
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See a new mock draft. He's been dropped to 40th, 50th, 60th, a third rounder. What are we talking about here? I really don't know what the issue is. If his 40 is not that great, that's fine. Because you need to watch him once to see how athletic he is. He can torch his body and all these... He's got some Mike Evans to his game, not as big and physical. And listen, Mike Evans is the best underrated player this entire generation. So I'm not silly out here. Is he? Okay. I don't know. Does he need help? Kean Coleman will catch touch downs in the NFL. Hansus, how long was that video?
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A spice rack? It was a little too long, but- Round of 3.0. I want to know. I think everybody wants to know. I thought the video length was okay, but you kept looking behind the spice rack.
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Is he on the run? Is someone facing you? You said you let him know relatively last minute about this, and he needed a little extra time. And the production value is great. He's wearing an Ohio State jersey. Off the charts. Not sure who it is. He's on a football field. He seems like he's on a football field. And then, yes, he's looking behind him as if there's maybe a team that wants to use the field or something. That was the delay.
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He drove 2 hours to a football field to do these videos. Yes, he's wearing a bangles knit cap. You could check this out on YouTube. If you've always wondered what the spice rack looks like, but I hope there's no one following him.
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I just say this because we spent the latter half of last season combining on our weekly pics for NFL Media, the Sess and Spice team went roughly like 78 and 6. Iconic. I think it was like 78 and 6 was our record on the strategy.
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It's weird you guys didn't finish even in the top five out of a top.
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It got better enough when I reached out internally to see, are these guys in last place? The guy that runs it behind the scenes, I can't give you that info.
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I was like, oh. Well, because that would have been incorrect. Because I was also told by text on a weekly basis, these are the most entertain. This is the core entertainment aspect of these pics that come out is what you guys are cooking up. But listen, so Jared Verce, we're in lockstep right there. That's great. Spice Rack has a pretty pristine record when it comes to prospects.
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I love him. Kean Coleman is an interesting guy that people thought in October was going to be a top 15 pick. Yes, it has become the trendy thing. They're like, Is this guy, is he really athletic enough? Are you going to have to put him in the slot? Because he's just this big guy who can't win on the outside. Some of those guys haven't done well in recent years. But then again, TK Metcalf and A. J. Brown fell to the bottom of the second.
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His cousin is CeeDee Lamb. A little fun fact.
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Mike Evans, what do you call him? The most criminally underrated player of the generation. Interesting. Good conversation piece. Good SEGA idea. There, Spice Rack. You didn't even know you did it.
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Criminal Yeah. Underrated players. That's good.
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All right.
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One more time.
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Let's go one more time around. You could hear the... Well, probably won't work out. All right, go on, Mark.
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I'm going to save my running back stuff till later because I had a couple-When later?
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Because we are-Later in the week.
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Not today. Saying, Don't bank it for later in this show because this is it, my friend.
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No, no. Yes, we got started late. It's certainly a time to wind up.
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No, independent of that, it just feels like time for your last pick.
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Whenever the two of you are ready, I'll be happy to offer another player. You just let me know when you'd like that to happen.I'll wait for your final choice.I'll wait for you to tell me.Your final choice.Okay. I'm picking someone that probably doesn't go early in the draft at all, more mid-runs. Again, it's just like, I don't know, you're watching 100 plays.
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Mid-run banger from the Sestog.
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A linebacker, Notre Dame, Maris Leofao. Because I was looking up-I love him. Here's how I tried to search players. I was like, Who is the toughest, nastiest hitter in the entire draft? And this guy's name kept coming over and over. So then I went and watched them, and it's another guy. It's like my old brown, I'm like, This guy is just going to wind up on the Ravens or the stealers, and he'll start as a backup rotational linebacker, but then they won't be able to keep him off the field. I mean, he has an aura of complete and total ultra violence to him. The speed, it's like, I think the linebacker position, even when you're young, it's like, who's the kid on the team can then suss out seeing through a bunch of bodies, where the ball is, where it's going, what's happening with the play? And he has a laser beam, heat-seeking His ability to get to it. His speed, he's a guy that can go wire to wire across the field. If a quarterback is trying to scramble out. I'll never forget when Johnny Manzell in his first start against the Panthers, we were watching West, and I were watching it on a Sunday.
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Manzell, this lauded speed guy out of college tried to get to the edge, and some Carolina Panthers defender just ran over and blew him up. You knew that Johnny Manzell was never going to be good in the NFL. You just knew it. This guy can do that to quarterbacks, to people on the edge. There's just something about his game. Pff called him the hardest hitter, and List has said that when he comes downhill, he comes downhill with bad intentions. That's how I would label him, too. He's fun to watch, and it's going to be hard to keep him off the field, I think, if he can stay Because he's not a huge guy, but he's 6'2, 234. He's fine.
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I was not familiar with this man. I went to go check. Dane Brogler at the Athletic has him as the number 15 linebacker, projected fifth to sixth round. So this is a deep... It You plant and you fight. He has him as the number 2 linebacker from Notre Dame.
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I like that, but every draft, you have to find people like this, right? I don't know. I just like him. I want to see where he goes.
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It's a hot and cold review from Lance Eerlan on our nfl.
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Com draft profile. I don't doubt it. Again, I said he's-Mark sees violence in him. He's a mid-round guy, but the way he plays, the NFL is almost scared of his playing style, I think.
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Mark's got that soft side that we heard.Duality of man.The sound deck.
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But...d. O.i.i love him.
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Mark also knows violence.Lives.
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That, too.Yes..
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I'm going to go more basic and just... Brock Bowers, to me, is another guy that maybe everyone's overthinking. Give her some Bauer's talk. To me, it's fascinating that he would not go early in part because he's been so good from the minute he showed up. I mean, a guy who can show up on the national champion team and as a true freshman, dominate against Alabama and lead them to a national championship and put up numbers, and people are like, Well, Kyle Pitz hasn't worked out, and all these first-round tight ends, that hasn't worked out. This is from the same people that would say sample size issues when you're talking about a guy who throws 90 to 100. It's just a couple of different pics.
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In fairness, Greg, I don't think people are after what happened last year when we had a lot of impact tight ends. That narrative has been put to bed a little bit.
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Okay, but I think they're pointing that the guys are, Okay, that was in the second round. You can wait. If Sam Laporte had been a first-round pick, that makes him somehow better. Just anyone that can show up and have three seasons where you're the number one target. Lad McConkey is great and all, but like, Brock Bowers was their number one receiver for three straight years on an elite, elite team, and he produced like crazy every single season. Don't overthink it. I get the whole contract thing of tight ends. You're not saving as much money because if you take them 12th, that actually is a contract that's similar to a top 5 to tight 10. That comes into an equation. It's like, But if you're right, it doesn't freaking matter. You have to get the player right. That's more important than everything. After you get past 5, 6, 7 players in this draft, I don't think there's a player that you'd be more confident in is going to be a plus player. There just aren't many tight ends. It reminds me of Tony Gonzales because there aren't many tight ends that make you miss and you can run over them.
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You just don't see that. Even Robin Krauss, he can't really make you miss. He can make you miss and he can run over you. That's pretty special.
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Let's go New York Jets.
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How would you feel? If the Jets took them, I think that'd be great.
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Well, to what we're just saying is Jets fans that are old enough, you're spooked by it because the Jets have had bad luck drafting tight ends high in their history. But that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because that was then this is now he would certainly be a scheme fit for the Jets at 10 because if Rodgers can play, if you added an athletic playmaking tight end to that group, Look out. They would be very difficult.
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Kyle Pitz was a special prospect. Bauer said more production in his freshman year than Kyle Pitz had in any of his years. Then he backed it up with everyone knowing it was coming like two straight more. That shouldn't matter.
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Daniel Jeremiah has him ranked number seventh. Overall, Bauer's, Jeremiah says, and maybe we'll talk to Daniel about this, reminds me a lot of George Kittle, and I see him having a similar impact in the NFL. Well, sign me up. Yeah.
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What are we doing here? Let's just make it happen. Connie.
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Okay.
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One more.
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Let me tell you a little bit about Rome Adunze. Okay.
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I love him.
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Wide receiver from Washington. And I also picked this because he's been mocked a ton at nine to Chicago. So since I talked about Caleb, these two could actually be paired together. If Chicago stays in that spot at nine, doesn't move back. But he, 2023, First Team All-American, Balitnikoff finalist. He started at D-end in high school before switching over to wide receiver his junior year. He was an incredible sprinter on the track team in high school, won the 4A state title in the 200 and the 4 by 100. But I loved when... Apparently, when he was six years old, he created a Facebook account with all of his mom's information For his occupation, he listed quarterback in the NFL. Got to like it.
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All of his mom's information? All of his mom's information.
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You know what? For the sign up, here's the email you need.
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All right. I was thinking something like that.
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This is resourceful in my eyes.
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Just need the email, everything else.
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It's like you can just- You've cleared it up.bluff your way through.
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Right. I haven't used Facebook in maybe 10 years.
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Okay, so you create the account, but you do need an email account to go activate things. Is it like my space? You have to travel off-site to activate with a link, I would think.
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Got it. Okay. Rome also spent summers on his grandfather's dairy farm in Utah. In Rome? No, when he was younger. But he would work right alongside grandpa Wayne on the farm. Now, he was named Rome because apparently his dad just really liked the Roman Empire. That's what it dug out.
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It had its merits and also its strawbacks.
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He ended up going-Definitely a thing that guys in their mid to late 30s get fascinated. What is that?
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He watched a lot of 300 at the time.
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I would say it harkens back to elements of our society that are missing certain male- Gary Cooper, anybody?
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Yeah.
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Rome would say, Oh, it's a bit of a more raw time.
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You're not dealing with a bunch of nonsense. Nobody's afraid to go on the roof in Rome.
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No.
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That's fair. Put me on the goddamn roof.
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I'm going to get hit with a bow and arrow. Give me a sword.
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Give me a shield. Put me on a roof.
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See, when I think of Rome, I'm not thinking about Roman Empire and gladiators and fights at the Colosseum. I'm thinking about pizza and pasta. There you go.
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Well, they had that, too.Yeah. Back then.Quite good.So.
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Rome and Dunesay.Just.
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Think of the lack of tooth care back then.
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Greg always does, Oh, you're dead by 32. It's like, Yeah, you're dead by 32.
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Four of your eight children died by the time they were two, and you had to just bury it.
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Rome Madunze is the number three prospect, according to DJ, and he reminds me of-I love him.Larry Fitzgerald coming out of college.
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Give me all you got. There's an incredible stat that PFF put about it because if you watch me, it's contested catches. He's like, give it to me.
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Get dirty. Get dirty with the numbers.
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What? No. It's football. We need to not have that drop ever again.
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Eric is on fire today. He caught 75% of his contested catches this past season. When they've tracked 417 seasons, that ranked six.
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That's good.
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I want you to... Can you play the Greg drop and then straight to the Spice channel for the last time?
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No, give it to me. Get dirty. Get dirty with the numbers.
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All right, Spice Track here with video 3.0, 0.0. Just to list the rest of the guys on the list that I like. Michael Panek, lefty quarterback from Washington.
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This It was really long, by the way, you said.
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He's a complete field general, great down the field.
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I love it. More agreement.
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Give me that guy. Ricky Piersall, slot receiver from Florida.
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We talked about Ricky last week.
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Just a monster. In the slot, even though he played plenty outside, which I think will help him.
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Imagine we saw a guy running toward Spice Rack.
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He is great in the slot. Every time I saw him, that's all I thought.
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This guy's going to be-From behind with a knife.
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Slot receiver.
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I don't want to imagine that.
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Jason Bane, he's going to kill you for talking over.
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Came in to Kansas as a quarterback.
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Jason Beane.
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After a year or two, was sent to-Bean dog. To a wide receiver. And every time the quarterback got hurt, he came in and played great. And he's almost 25, late bloomer, but he's also someone with a second chance in life, basically, as a quarterback. I like the back stories of Spicey. I'm root for him, but he's big and athletic, and he's a good player. Definitely likes throwing deep, too. Always a fan of that. Arison Nevis or Mevis, however you say it, Sassy. He got mad. Zuz, this is your favorite prospect in the whole draft for sure. Monster kicker. Yes. Saw him kick a 64-yarder from Missouri. Saw him kick a 64-yarder right at the gun. That cash me a nice money line. I can't even know who they were playing, but Missouri was like plus two for his son. I'm sure Greg got a text. Cody Schrader, Running Back, Missouri. Big Missouri day, everybody.
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Ozark was wildly over. Beautiful day in Cincinnati, by the way. You hear that? It looks gorgeous.
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It's gorgeous. Bird's turp. Cody Schrader was like a Division 3 legend.
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Did you guys just hear him call Ozark? Yeah.
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Division 3 Heisman's, and tried to come up to the Division 1 level. He did not get a scholarship to the very end by one team, Missouri. And he led the the SEC in rushing two straight years. And man, I could be wrong about that, but I think it's something like that. And so he led the SEC in rushing two straight years. And man, I could be wrong about that, but I think it's something like that. And so he That guy for sure. And again, no bigger chip on anyone's shoulder than Cody Schrader.
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Keep going.
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All right. My last guy is Jordan Travis, quarterback, Florida State, gets hurt a lot or at least suffered a catastrophic injury in his last game.
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Brutal. Brutal.
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You all right?
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All right. No, that's not right. But he suffered a catastrophic injury to end his season.
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Don't laugh, Greg. Stop. And... Uh-uh.
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But he was coming along great. What? I thought that was it. That was the end. He was like an early flop at Florida State, and then started coming along great and just looking awesome and getting that second chance at life, almost, too, because he was almost left for dead. No one was looking for him to be anything special. And then he really bloomed the last two years. So, rooting for Jordan Travis, too. And he's athletic, but, man, he got folded up in that last game. All right, that's it. Again, I'd like to thank everybody, but especially Mark, the Cess Man, Cessler, Cess Spice Forever, everyone else. Never or most of the time.
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It's good we waited till the end there.
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See?
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Good program.
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I was happy. Thank you, Brad. I agree in reverse, by the way. Pepper Mill.
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Thank you, Spice Rock. That was incredible. Jordan Travis, in the news, by the way, had taken some visits at Tom Pelacero, the Pelraiser, mentioned. But I thought that was excellent. I like that he likes guys who have a second chance at life. I think he likes the underdog story. That's an angle. I think that was something him and Wes bonded over. I think Wes looked at it like a late bloomer, someone who fought his way out of where he was in life. I think him and his bass rack. Sure.
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I like that.
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I like everything except the Ozark.
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Never seen it, so I can't comment. Really?
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He took it down. I talked over his prestige television hot take. That could be an issue for me and spicy. We've had issues in the past.
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He's going to fume at you. Yeah. He's going to see it rightly as a sign of complete and total disrespect.I.
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Don't think that's fair.Depending.
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On your point of view.I think that's unfair.Not your point of view, his.
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But By that logic, Dan has disrespected everyone.
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Not by his point of view.
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Can we please keep in mind, Sess Dog, that Spice Rack being on today's program It was not you, Cess Man. It was me. What better act of respect for the Spice Rack than me having him on the program today? Because I value his input.
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You could spin it. Again, it all comes down a point of view. It comes down a point of you.Send.
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Me a football.Yeah. All right, that's it. Thank you to the Spice channel. Always entertaining. We will be back on Wednesday with more football talk, more draft talk, some more guests as we get closer and closer. Jesus, take the wheel to the 2024 NFL Draft. Connie, you've said it all, and yet you have one last opportunity.
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To say more things. That's great. I love you guys. Actually, when was the last time we were all in studio together? It feels like a minute. It's nice to actually be back with all three of you in studio, and no real tech diffs on my side, at least today.
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Blocked and loaded.
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There we go.Mammy..
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Connie in the studio is never a concern. She's going to give you high effort. She's going to give you quality. Always.
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And I'll be on time. What is that?
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All right, everybody. Thank you for listening. Until next time. You know what you're going to do. Beat the call..
